mountain hunt: Bigger isn’t always better when it comes to picking a cartridge for moose hunting. The .280 Remington can handle bullets up to 175 grains making it very versatile. Why not just use the outstanding, proven Creedmoor and be done with it? Importantly, barrel life would be high and recoil would be low. As a plus, the carbon-fiber wrapping seems to dampen vibration, making for a very forgiving barrel. The Winchester XPR Renegade Long Range SR is a unique, feature-packed addition to the XPR... Fed by a 14-round magazine in the buttstock, the Winchester Model 74 features a top-side... Give a Gift   For readers unfamiliar with the cartridge, it is simply the .280 Remington that's had its shoulder angle and body taper "blown out" to increase internal capacity. Scottso Member. Rem shoots unbelievably well with 140 hornady Amax pushed at 2847fps and the 140. I killed one of my elk this year with a 280 Remington and a 160gr bullet at a little passed 300 yards. Mag. We're taking a look at what the Army's Elite Units are using for service rifles and what the future of SOCOM sniping looks like. A bit more heft in the riflescope was a necessary evil. I have a 25-06 that Im going to change out to a 280 Rem caliber. The resulting accuracy was 0.75 MOA, which is definitely plenty good for hunting, but vague pressure signs accompanied the accuracy node I found via ladder tests. While they are not necessarily perfect, they are the minimum recommended moose cartridges. Remington .280 factory loads are currently offered with three different 140 grain spitzer bullets, all with a muzzle velocity of 3,000 fps and a muzzle energy of 2,797 ft. lb. One of my favorite rifles is a 280 and have seen some really big moose taken with 280's,but i think they were made for the 140 or 160's.If you go up to 175's or bigger I think you need to go 7MM mag for the extra power Short to medium range (100-200 yard) moose cartridges. Super-accurate? However, in order to achieve the "long-range competition-capable" part of this project, a serious scope is necessary. One is a pointed Core-Lokt, one is a Nosler ballistic tip, and the third is a boat-tail spitzer bullet. Joined: May 23, 2006 Messages: 98 Location: NYC. Unlike the .30 calibers, which rarely use the heaviest 220-grain hunting bullets, the 175-grain 7mm bullets make a great choice for elk, moose and larger African antelope. Mike Degerness of Proof Research exhorted me to come to my senses and go with the .280 Ackley Improved. Unfortunately, the rifle simply didn't give spectacular accuracy with them. However, I was driving the 168-grain VLD Hunting bullet at 2,835 fps, not the 3,200 fps that sometimes causes such bullets to behave like a fragmenting varmint bullet and fail to adequately penetrate vitals. As a result, while they are very capable in their intended realm, they don't qualify for competitive shooting wherein extended-string accuracy and minimal point of impact shift are imperative. It's a standard-length cartridge, so I had to accept more weight than I'd originally hoped. Nor did the 175- grain version of the ELD-X, even using same-lot bullets that reliably produce bug-cluster groups in my custom 7mm Weatherby Magnum rifle. Great accuracy results, from a number of combos. The latter enabled me to run updated ballistic calculations and dial in MOA should I end up shooting in atmospheric conditions vastly different from the 6,000 feet elevation and 50-degree temperature the turret was calculated at. Leupold's custom shop engraved a turret calibrated for the Berger load, marked in yards to 1,150 on the circumference and — to my specifications — with an MOA scale around the top edge. The 30-284 wildcat used the same loading data as the 30-06. through the 7mm magnums are excellent choices with 150 to 175-grain slugs. Gilding metal (90 percent copper, 10 percent zinc) was first thought too soft for the friction generated by 150-grain bullets in .30-06 service ammunition. But Western Cartridge Company’s Lubaloy jacket, comprising 90 percent copper, 8 percent zinc and 2 percent t… This category includes such cartridges as the .264 Winchester Magnum, .270 Winchester, the .270 Magnums, .280 Remington, the 7mm Magnums, .308 Winchester, .30-06 Springfield, .303 British and 8x57JS. Best of all, it achieves this efficiently by burning considerably less powder and generating less recoil than the 7mm Rem. To try out the rifle in competition, I ran the 2016 Vortex Extreme Challenge, a 7.5-mile cross-country race with targets to 1,200 yards. Inside 300 or even 400 yards, they served adequately. I'm not a fast runner, but that's no fault of the rifle. Bare rifle weight must be 6.5 pounds or less, so that once equipped with a capable long-range scope, sling, and full magazine it wouldn't tip the scales past 8.5 pounds, which is borderline too heavy for a kitted-out sheep rifle. An informal autopsy later revealed that the Berger scrambled both lungs and the arteries at the top of the heart before exiting the point of the offside shoulder. More recently, with a Montana rifle bored for the largely unsung .280 Remington (circa 1957), I climbed under a bleak, black sky toward timberline. The.280 is a 7mm, same diameter as the 7x57M, 7x 61 S&H, 7mm Weatherby, 7mm Rem. Instead of .284″ bullets like the 7mm Mauser (and more recently developed cartridges like the 7mm-08, .280 Remington, .280 Ackley Improved, and 7mm Remington Magnum), the .270 Winchester used .277″ bullets which undoubtedly hampered adoption of the cartridge to a certain degree. Discussion in 'Hunting' started by salthouse, Jun 19, 2006. A similar result at 780 yards and she was sold on the rifle. Match, The Future Of Special Operations Small Arms. Neither The High Road nor any of its directors, members, managers, employees, agents, vendors, or suppliers will be liable for any direct, indirect, general, bodily injury, compensatory, special, punitive, consequential, or incidental damages including, without limitation, lost profits or revenues, costs of replacement goods, loss or damage to data arising out of the use or inability to use this forum or any services associated with this forum, or damages from the use of or reliance on the information present on this forum, even if you have been advised of the possibility of such damages. However, it's doubtful that any astute hunter would challenge the moose-dropping effectiveness of a well-constructed 175-grain 7mm bullet launched at 2,800 fps, which produces close to 3,050 ft-lbs of muzzle energy. 280 AI was standardized by Nosler in 2008 and, SAAMI approved, is now being sold as factory loaded ammunition. After the Great War, cupro-nickel, of 60 percent copper and 40 percent nickel, became the jacket of choice. That 77-V in 7mm Remington Express (280 Remington) was an Antelope and high plains Mule Deer killing MACHINE! At one point my six-year-old son laid down behind it for his first-ever shot with a centerfire rifle. I took the Berger bullet hunting. (This one ultimately proved to be the hardest criterion to satisfy.). Just noticed this was resurrected from a year ago.Wonder if he had any luck. Eventually, Hornady's Joe Theilen — who competes in 1,000-yard benchrest disciplines with his .280 Ackley Improved — helped me see the light, touting outstanding barrel life coupled with above-par ballistics. Again, I was fortunate to bring back a bull. Rifles in the .280chambering outsold the other two combined. The.270 Winchester, the 7-08, the.280 Remington with a 150 grain controlled expansion bullet would do the trick on a moose, especially for a recoil sensitive hunter. We ping steel with a .300 WinMag at over a mile. History. Elk don't typically react much to getting shot, but this one shuddered, staggered backward, and toppled in less time than it takes to tell. At first I was inclined to use a custom titanium action and have Steve Pratt of Elk Meadow Performance build the rifle. The .280 Ackley Improved looks like a winner as a deer, pronghorn, elk and moose hunting cartridge. It's safe to say this rifle will become a family heirloom. Subscriber Services. Each was discarded for one reason or another. Ackley Improved 40 degrees,” this cartridge was standardized by Nosler and accepted by SAAMI in 2008. You simply cannot produce a superb optic with zoom, extensive elevation adjustment, parallax adjustment, and top-shelf glass without incurring weight. velocities and nips at the heels of the 7mm Remington Magnum. Here's a closer look at each of the three major criteria I used to build one rifle that does everything. Accurate? Initially, I intended to shoot Hornady's 162-grain ELD Match bullet in competition and switch to the same-weight ELD-X version for hunting. The 280 Remington could be the Goldilocks of standard-length action hunting rounds. 175 Gr. Loaded with fast expanding, sleek 140 to 150 grain bullets, the .280 is a fast killer of light framed medium game. Yes. There is very little difference between them ballistically inside of … Of the many fine long-range optics available, Leupold's VX-6 3-18X is the lightest scope (19 ounces) that offers the features critical to serious long-range shooting. No. Throat so I can load slugs such as the 175 RN Hornaday out to get max powder capacity and my intent is to use this for MOOSE! At the time when I made the decision on the VX-6, the only limiting factor was the elevation turret, which only allowed one full rotation (20 MOA) when the zero stop was installed. 280 Remington As Goldilocks. I give the edge to the less-popular .280 Remington for one reason and one reason only: the available bullet weight. 280 Remington for Moose. Plus, in a pinch I could use standard .280 Remington ammo in the Improved chamber. Not too hard, not too soft, not too fast, not too slow, but just right because it shoots mid-caliber .284-inch diameter bullets. Personally not that it matters I'd get a bigger caliber as opposed to a bigger bullet. The .270 Winchester, .280 Remington, .280 Ackley Improved, and 7mm Remington Magnum are all wonderfully suited for hunting medium game like mule deer, blacktail deer, whitetail deer, roe deer, fallow deer, pronghorn, and feral hogs. The bigger the animal, the more heated that debate tends to be. Ackley and Fred Huntington and known previously by a variety of names such as the “.280 Rem. Yes, Scandinavian hunters have laid Nordic bulls low with the similarly performing 6.5x55 from time immemorial, but those are a smaller subspecies than North America's Alaska-Yukon moose. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. etc. While not exactly a fire-breather, such a cartridge qualifies comfortably as moose-capable. Developed by P.O. Kyle kills a nice 6x6 Bull at 325 yards. So at last the .280 had overcome itsdismal beginnings and joined the pantheon of great hunting cartridges. When Remingtonintroduced its lightweight M700 Mountain rifle back in the early 1990s it wasinitially offered in .280, along with the .30/06 and .270. Although Jack O'Connor allegedly defined a mountain rifle — with scope — to weigh around 7.5 pounds, he was dealing with a different breed of optic than we have today. The downside? No company builds such barrels better than Proof Research. Jenna's opportunity came close, so close that she fired offhand and absolutely poleaxed the buck at 55 yards. in this video of a beautiful B.C. Discussion Starter • #1 • Sep 2, 2006. Picking the 10 “best” or most favorable cartridges for hunting any animal is a highly subjective and challenging task. All information is provided "as is" with all faults without warranty of any kind, either express or implied. However, it was introduced in a different time, when the ascendancy of the bolt action wasn’t as clear as it is today. I considered the 7mm-08, 7mm-08 Improved, .284 Winchester, 7mm SAUM, and various short-action wildcat cartridges that would allow me to keep weight to a minimum and still make the moose-terminating grade. Optically speaking, I was in business. All Shooting Times subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. A month later my wife and I hauled the family south to fill her Utah mule deer tag. For lighter bullets there will be about a 100 fps difference in velocity, and not much change in impact at normal hunting ranges. Although lightweight, the Proof Research carbonfiber-wrapped barrel maintains its accuracy and point of impact even over long shot strings and is just right for long-range cross-country competition. Light weight is critical when hunting high elevations, and the author's Proof Research Summit rifle proved to be ideal for prowling Utah's alpine country. Both impacted inside the 6-inch black dot spray painted in the steel target's center. With only seconds to shoot, I ranged the bull at 472 yards, dialed the turret, snugged up behind the Summit rifle, and put a bullet precisely through the quartering-away bull's boiler room. With a salute to Degerness's foresight, I put in an order for a Summit chambered in .280 Ackley Improved. Only one barrel type that I'm aware of is both sheep-rifle light and competition capable, and that's a properly constructed, carbon-fiber-wrapped barrel. 15 Posts . Any point of impact shift is unacceptable. 280 Remington chambers can be easily converted to 280 AI. These cheap postwar variants offer perhaps the best value on the vintage-Mauser market. and probably moose alone although a black bear may slip into the scope on occasion. Chris Polley of Proof Research happened to hand me one of the company's Summit model rifles while visiting at a tradeshow. In performance, the.280 Ackley Improved typically adds 100 to 150 fps to standard.280 Rem. In the 150gr. While I've had outstanding luck with actions by Nesika Bay, Stiller, and others, my personal favorites are made by Defiance. Determined to work up a moose-capable hunting load, I later circled the handloading wagons back to the Barnes 168-grain LRX bullet, trying different powders and seating depths I struck gold, settling on a charge of 59.0 grains of IMR 7828, which produced 2,903 fps and average groups of 0.45 inch. The 7mm Remington Express was simply the 280 Remington with a "fancy monicker"! James Tarr runs through the 3-Second Headshot drill. I wish I had never sold that one. Although many sheep rifles fitted with ultra-slim barrels are superbly accurate over three shots, they do not hold that accuracy over 10 consecutive shots. With the Vortex Extreme Challenge fast approaching, I loaded 10 test rounds with Berger's 168-grain VLD Hunting bullet, and voilà the rifle averaged 0.4 inch over a series of consecutive three-shot groups. Hot-barrel testing proved the load was consistent and the rifle tremendously accurate. The lightweight .280 Ackley Improved Summit is light enough for sheep hunting, accurate enough for long-range competitions, and powerful enough for moose. My opportunity to take a young bull elk came at about 6,000 feet on a balmy October morning — calibrated, almost, for the scope's turret. Paired with a mountain-weight barrel and carbon-fiber stock, the rifle should come in at between 5.75 and 6.5 pounds, depending on action length. To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. As for the cartridge, it must have a high-BC bullet of moose adequate diameter and weight at respectable velocities, thus producing bona fide authority and minimal wind drift, all this without scorching the barrel inside of 2,500 rounds or kicking the stuffing out of me over long practice sessions. Impact velocity with the Berger was about 2,775 fps, and the fragmenting bullet destroyed a considerable amount of meat. Instead of defining scoped sheep-rifle weight as 7.5 pounds, a naked rifle weight of 6.5 pounds — which is about what one of O'Connor's rifles would have weighed bare — seemed appropriate. Had it not been for the "moose-capable" criterion, I would have. I'm going black bear hunting in PA this year. A challenge to create one rifle that does everything took hold of me some time ago and tormented me during more than one sleepless night. 280 Ackley, 168 berger vld. Mag. Fired at 2,700 fps, a high-BC 7mm bullet of at least 160 grains would provide wind drift and drop similar to a 140-grain 6.5mm projectile fired from the Creedmoor, with added frontal diameter, mass, and energy. Before opening day of Utah's spike bull elk season, Dallin and I checked our zeros, and just for fun, I took two shots at 1,100 yards. We look at the futuristic .450 Bushmaster and how it compares to the tried and true .45-70. Leupold's custom shop installed a dual-rotation turret with both zero stop and zero lock, solving the issue; installed a capable MOA reticle; and Cerakoted the scope Tungsten Gray to match the Summit rifle. The 7mms from 7x57mm Mauser, 7mm-08 Rem. Serious scopes, like quality camera lenses, are weighty. Jenna had never fired the Summit rifle, so we pulled off on public land to allow her to get acquainted with it. The Winchester Model 52 is a fine, handbuilt smallbore match rifle that was once known as the... David Fortier talks with Jeff Hoffman of Black Hills Ammunition about the evolution of the .308 Win. Also, if you want to hunt something really big, like Alaska moose, you can use 175-grain bullets in the.280, while the top end for the.270 is 150 grains. Best of all, the barrels hold their accuracy over extended shot strings and typically have no discernible point of impact shift. ISS Prop House gives us the rundown on the guns used in Enemy at the Gate. 280 AI shoots 50 fps to 100 fps faster than the 280 Remington with the same bullets in the same standard-length actions. Winchester .350 Legend Rifles and Ammo Available Right Now, Ruger 10/22 Competition Rifle at 300 Yards, Revolver vs. Semiauto Pistol: A Ballistic Oddity, Stevens Model 52 – Happy to Meet You, Lucile, Winchester XPR Renegade Long Range SR Review, How I Built One Rifle That Does Everything, Black Hills Evolution of Rifle Cartridge: .308 Win. In performance, the .280 Ackley Improved typically adds 100 to 150 fps to standard .280 Rem. Big bore semiauto or a lever gun? Page 2 of 2 < Prev 1 2. It's a combination never possible before today's space-age lightweight barrels and superb optics. However, there's no arguing with the quick, clean kill. Having been released 32 years after the .270 Winchester, it had somewhat unspectacular sales. Accuracy capability must be consistently inside 0.5 MOA, which is much less common than the cyber-world would have one think, and accuracy must not degrade over a series of three consecutive three-shot groups without allowing the barrel to cool. Typically of fixed magnification, riflescopes of his day were simple 1-inch tubes with few moving parts and fewer lenses. Nonplussed, I turned back to the Berger load. Watched an episode on the hunting channel were a guy dropped and huge whitetail dead in his tracks with one shot from the.280rem. .280 remington Been doing a lot of research on the.280 and it seems to be neck and neck with the ole work horse 30-06. Mag. With three versions, three barrel lengths, and three different finishes from which to choose,... Like situational ethics, standards of accuracy vary according to circumstances. The Canadian .280 Ross, a true rimless magnum, introduced in 1907, made quite a splash, but lagged because pre-World War 1 softpoints weren’t up to its high velocity. Ackley's most popular Improved cartridge, holding the honor of being the only one ever legitimized by a major ammo company. All I can claim is the concept of chambering such a rifle for a cartridge both moose-worthy and competition-appropriate and pressing it into service as a long-range cross-country match rifle. A century ago, bullets were just getting used to high speed. I've chronoed a number of loads, worked up to 'maximum' powder charges as shown by numerous reloading manuals and online sources, all with velocities in the mild to disappointing range. Aside from the cartridge (which I'll get to shortly), the last piece of the puzzle was an appropriate scope. I also used the 140 PT in a 6.5 x 55 Swede on a cow elk at 370 years ago, and it did put her down. Did just fine. 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